Scottish Independence (the sequel)

(18-09-2014 13:01 )SOCATOA Wrote:  Brown and Darling, better together. These are the same incompetent politicians who nearly bankrupted Britain! Now english MP's are saying no way to new powers in the event of a no vote. Brown and Darling will get there enhanced pensions and a title, and Scotland, will get shafted.

Nah Scotland wont get shafted because labour will need those votes next year. the lib dems will follow with labour for there election chances North of the border so will be a majority

I see More devolution for Wales and NI a devo lite so to speak the english in the north will get fuck all as usual because torys dont give a fuck because we never vote tory

i seriously see another Referendum in the next 5 years because tories will get back in and vote to come out of the EU

I'm glad this is nearly over, I will be able go to football knowing I won't have a a Yes campaigner with a megaphone shouting "no more Cameron, no more Tories" within earshot and trying to give me leaflets as happened on Saturday and many other Saturday's over the last 2 years

Whatever the quality of this campaign about which I made my views clear in post 305 of this thread my hope is that when all is said and done both sides can respect the result and make the best of things.
It is a hugely significant decision.
Some will have been staunch yes voters from the start, some staunch unionists from the start.
There will have been those who have changed their minds, in some cases numerous times and those who have agonised about which way to go right up to the bitter end.
Those friends I mentioned in post 305 have all now voted either by post or at the ballot box and all of them have confessed to me just what a hugely difficult decision it really was.
This is the thing that really stands out for me.
The fact that 97% of those eligible to register to vote did get on the voting register and the anticipated huge turnout indicates just how seriously people are taking the issue at hand.
So many considerations, so many unknowns, so much doubt as what to believe, who to trust and what the reaction will be when all said and done.
In my view the undecided voters have been badly let down by appallingly cynical, negative, speculative campaigning which at times appears to have been rather intimidatory and bitter on both sides.
Reasoned argument to make the economic, logistical and constitutional case has not won the day imo.
As I said before it is those who have been undecided for so long who will ultimately swing the vote one way or the other.
It is every credit to those people and indeed the entire electorate in Scotland that this decision has been taken with the utmost seriousness and thought given first.
Where I feel sad for them though is that the campaigns may have done very little to actually influence their vote and in the end they will have had to make their own minds up on the basis of their own learning and logic.
Whatever happens I wish everyone in Scotland the very best and sincerely hope the differences can be at least partially reconciled in the years to come whichever side wins.

I think it's worth mentioning that under the broadcasting rules that no further commentary or opinions are allowed to be heard on either side until all Polling stations have closed, only results are allowed to be referenced to.

Latest poll results have given the No side a 6 point lead but it's not over yet and a lot of twists and turns will inevitably happen.

"The tyranny of a prince in an oligarchy is not so dangerous to the public welfare as the apathy of a citizen in a democracy."

-- Charles de Montesquieu

(18-09-2014 18:07 )snookered147 Wrote:  This is the thing that really stands out for me.
The fact that 97% of those eligible to register to vote did get on the voting register and the anticipated huge turnout indicates just how seriously people are taking the issue at hand.

The whole post ... brilliant. Again. Well said.

And I agree that this is (or, at any rate, should be) the most salient statistic of this campaign.

Tomorrow morning, one side will feel the victor and one the loser. But lesser countries have torn themselves to pieces over smaller differences. Whatever the result, it is a heartwarming thought that so many people could be so passionate, so engaged, and yet so divided ... and still behave like rational, civilized, democratic people.


(Until Andy Murray gets boo-ed at Wimbledon... Then I fear the worst!)

Assuming Andy Murray qualifies for the ATP Tour Finals in London later this year I will be going to watch him there so I will see the crowd reaction to him in that event .

It's now Past 10PM, all Polling Stations have now closed. The result has been decided, now it's going to be a very nervous wait, I have butterflies in my stomach. In years to come this date will be looked back and debated by future historians.

On the note of some of the pubs in Scotland being open 24/7 to mark this occasion I think it's bloody madness. In the Tayside region where I live the councils refused this application and I happen to agree with them.

3 things that should never be discussed in a pub and one of them is politics. Drunken outbreaks will inevitably happen as a consequence because of this.

I might have to watch something else other than the news tonight to calm my nerves. Does anybody have any idea's

^you could watch doomsday, might be quite apt by the end of the night!

(18-09-2014 21:10 )Scottishbloke Wrote:  I might have to watch something else other than the news tonight to calm my nerves. Does anybody have any idea's

Apparently Rammy recommends Studio 66.