HALL OF FAME Discussion Thread

I would have absolutely no issue with the likes of Danica making it into the HOF. It is not a long service award, not a fan personally but I understand the attraction. Inductees should reflect impactfulness, better the shine brightly for a short time than plod along taking pay checks.
In Danica's 2 main threads she accounted for a combined 7 million + views & one of those threads had the 5th most views by any babe on this forum. Sometimes a babe just captures the imagination & you get a snowball effect & more & more take an interest to see what all the fuss is about. I think of Grace Elizabeth who crashed & burned during the pandemic.
Many of Danica's super fans will no longer frequent this forum, so she falls into that category of great, but forgotten babes along with those pre-forum babes. How we go about giving these babes a fair chance of inclusion will be complex to solve. Some here have already dismissed the thought of a legend or specific era type of category. I just feel this should be as all inclusive as possible.
I will keep reiterating recency bias, clearly an issue when dealing with 20 plus years of babeshows. But I could give many examples of the annual awards were babes who did great shows in November & December faired better than some who did great shows in January & February.

^ not to mention Danica's 'no shows' drew more thread attention than many babes who did turn up lol. And her particiation in that infamous reality show Sex, Lies and Rinsing Guys drew an amusing watch-along thread that got forum award nominated from what I remember. Like Boomer I wasn't that much a fanboy but understood the fascination and recognised the impact she made. It was rather sad to see I was one of the few left around to nominate her.

That alone makes it a must for a commitee based aspect of the HoF who still remember the older days. It doesn't have to be the only aspect, an open member vote can also play another part. It's not meant to be yet another competition, we have quite enough of those, just a recognition of those who shaped the shows.

We don't want a Bill Belichick situation.

If we want to induct multiple girls every year, it needs to be separate competitions for each one. Assuming we're going down the road of single voting rounds after the nominations, and not head to heads.
Which I hope will be the case.
You can't induct 2 girls from a single vote comp without one of them being runner-up.
Which wouldn't be right imo, never mind being a back handed compliment to the girl herself. Better to leave her out and give her a chance to enter as a winner in the future.
Although in a genuine tie for first place, I'd induct them both rather than have a run-off.

I'd go with a daytime comp, a nighttime comp, and a 'legends' comp. Although the name of the legends comp needs some work, as 'legends' kind've devalues the status of the girls who didn't enter as legends.

I agree with Kerr Avon about a committee for the 'legends' comp, but only for the nominations round. It should be a free vote after that.

Separate day & night categories made more sense 5 or 6 years back, but not so much now, the lines are really blurred these days. going forward with more web based babes & less & less tv babes there's little difference. The babes who do an equal percentage of day & night work are compromised & at a disadvantage, both parts of their work should be considered as a whole. If you are getting yours tits out, or not, why should it matter if it is daylight or darkness.

(Yesterday 08:26 )The Silent Majority Wrote:  You can't induct 2 girls from a single vote comp without one of them being runner-up.
Which wouldn't be right imo, never mind being a back handed compliment to the girl herself. Better to leave her out and give her a chance to enter as a winner in the future.
Although in a genuine tie for first place, I'd induct them both rather than have a run-off.

I believe that in certain circumstances inducting 2 babes from the same category irrespective of a tied vote would be an option, especially if there was a high percentage of votes for both babes.
Consider that once babes are inducted there's no pecking order, all are equal for being inducted as a winner or runner up isn't even a thing we have to look at this entirely different to a regular comp.

After doing a little research, whilst major Hall of Fames have some structure as to how many members are inducted in any given year, they operate some flexibility. Generally a number ranging from 4-8.

Going forward the Babeshow class of the 2020's appears to have less quality than in previous years, that is not just my opinion you only have to read the various threads on this forum.
If voters are struggling to come up with sufficient quality of candidates then that could be a period when less babes are inducted from those particular years, or perhaps more babes from earlier periods.
Whilst it is essential to have the least amount of tinkering for whoever runs this comp, some degree of flexibility is still possible.
Something less complex will also be attractive to the voting public.
My made view is that this should be a numbers based solution, working on percentage of votes gained. I don't mind a nomination process & then a simple voting round, but I am dead against any form of head to head aspect, not fit for purpose at all.

I'll chip in with my thoughts but before doing so I am pleased Snooks is going to run this process and am completely confident that he will do so in a fair & open way. Whatever he decides I will gladly support.

My thoughts have centred around 2 main principles:

1. Equality of opportunity for performers
2. Profile of the forum voting members
   

I joined the forum in late 2012 and did not really watch any shows before then. I therefore don't nominate girls from before that period as I don't know them so I absolutely am guilty of recency bias. (In fact I vote for my favourite girl!) I do however look at nominees as rounds progress and try to research who they are before adding my votes. That may make me unusual but I do think it should be easier for someone like me to be able to acknowledge show "pioneers".

I would therefore suggest that there is a method chosen to enable girls from before a selected date to be nominated for the HoF in a 'pioneer' category. The period that relates to could advance each year to reflect the evolution of forum membership.

In addition I would be happy if the 'pioneer' nominees were determined by a small group of forum members selected by Snooks and the Mods to reflect forum members who have knowledge of that era. A list of perhaps 5 nominees could then be put to the wider membership with say a brief description of their careers (links to the A-Z of girls or their threads provided?). Then one single vote for these nominees with the winner elected or if a tie those in the tie elected.

I would continue with the Day & Night categories for other nominees even though the boundaries for the girls are now more blurred because I believe that forum members viewing habits may still be better served in that way. I also think that a good night girl may get more votes than a day girl simply due to viewing numbers rather than a true reflection of contribution to the channels.

As others have said I'm not in favour of multiple rounds of votes. In fact I don't see the girls competing to be in the HoF at all. It is our way of honouring them and we should be considering a variety of performance aspects in that process. Is a girl of more merit if she appears on a show for 10 years (so clearly being a valuable source of earnings for the channel) or making an impact for 6 months then disappearing never to be seen again? We don't currently seem to really recognise that.

So to summarise I'd have 3 categories

Pioneers
Dayshow
Nightshow

Turning to voting I'd remove multiple rounds of voting and have a nomination round and then 1 voting round. If 2 or 3 girls tie at the top then put them all in. If people prefer more than 1 voting round then take the top 4 or 5 into a final selection but then any girls tied for top place get elected.

I would also suggest that all results with number of votes are published for each stage of the process.

Have fun determining how you want to run it Snooks

(Yesterday 12:42 )Boomerangutangangbang Wrote:  I believe that in certain circumstances inducting 2 babes from the same category irrespective of a tied vote would be an option, especially if there was a high percentage of votes for both babes.
Consider that once babes are inducted there's no pecking order, all are equal for being inducted as a winner or runner up isn't even a thing we have to look at this entirely different to a regular comp.

Sorry, I can't agree with this. It might not say in the actual hall thread how they were inducted, but the evidence of the vote will still be there.

"Hi babe. Congratulations, you've been inducted to the babechannels Hall of Fame. You didn't actually win the vote, but we let you in anyway"

Makes it sound a bit like Trumps FIFA peace prize.

I dare say many of the babes won't be that bothered, but that's not our call to make.

However, I sort of agree about the daytime vote. Certainly going forward, there's going to be no such thing as a daytime babe, just a babeshow babe.
But I think there's at least a couple of years left in it yet, in the interests of inducting more girls.
Which isn't really a good phrase in itself. What we're actually doing is playing catchup.

How about this..

A pre-competition thread (or 2, Days & Nights) where members can suggest their candidates and therefore remind others of babes they may have forgotten. Links to caps & vids threads, friendly chat about why they think a particular "Babe" deserves to be inducted...and then the inevitable arguments.

Then the vote(s). Straightforward fight to the death, winner takes all. No multiple rounds, no 2nd place winners, no participation prizes. Just Blood & Fur everywhere.


Legends? Nah. Any committee will be inevitably accused of trying to push their favourites onto the Members. It'll be a thankless task and people will pack it in after the first year because of all the grief they get.


Keep it simple.

I know this horse has long since bolted but for me a hall of fame should not be for those still currently appearing. Anyone eligible should have left the shows for a specified period of time, say 3 years. If they then return after induction so be it.

Given the numbers that have appeared on the channels over the years one inducted per year is too few for me. How about in the first instance asking members to nominate a shortlist of those they think should be inducted. Then as a final stage the those with the most votes (say top 3 or top 5 etc) are put before the members who voted and they choose who of the nominees they think are worthy of induction. To be inducted a babe has to be chosen by a percentage of the members who voted, that way there could be minimum of one and maximum of 3, 5 etc. Much how the NFL hall of fame works.